{"id":8833,"date":"2009-11-09T20:40:13","date_gmt":"2009-11-09T18:40:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lovendal.net\/wp52\/?p=8833"},"modified":"2017-04-20T21:05:30","modified_gmt":"2017-04-20T18:05:30","slug":"enigmaticii-agatarsi-stramosii-dacilor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/enigmaticii-agatarsi-stramosii-dacilor\/","title":{"rendered":"Enigmaticii agat\u00e2r\u015fi, str\u0103mo\u015fii dacilor"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/agatarsi.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-8834\" title=\"agatarsi\" src=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/agatarsi.jpg\" alt=\"agatarsi\" width=\"321\" height=\"269\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/agatarsi.jpg 321w, https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/agatarsi-300x251.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 321px) 100vw, 321px\" \/><\/a>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii, poporul care se tatuau pe tot corpul<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Herodot este acela care ne aduce primele \u015ftiri despre agat\u00e2r\u015fi (agathyrsi) \u015fi el afirm\u0103 c\u0103 sunt oameni foarte luxo\u015fi \u015fi poart\u0103 podoabe de aur. Ei \u00ee\u015fi tatuau \u015fi \u00ee\u015fi pictau fa\u0163a \u015fi tot corpul, iar p\u0103rul \u015fi-l vopseau \u00een albastru dup\u0103 cum ne relateaz\u0103 Pliniu cel B\u0103tr\u00e2n. Se tatuau desigur dup\u0103 obiceiul tracilor cu un ac \u015fi cu o culoare albastr\u0103 ce nu se \u015ftergea, iar \u00een afar\u0103 de bijuteriile lor de aur sp\u0103lat din nisipul r\u00e2urilor mai purtau \u015fi diamante.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii, mari viteji<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Cea mai mare parte a datinilor \u015fi obiceiurilor agat\u00e2r\u015filor erau la fel cu cele ale tracilor, scrie Herodot despre ei, \u015fi aceasta \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103, de\u015fi au putut exista infiltr\u0103ri sporadice ale sci\u0163ilor \u00een \u0163inuturile locuite de agat\u00e2r\u015fi, la data c\u00e2nd scrie Herodot &#8211; prima jum\u0103tate a sec. V \u00ee.Hr. &#8211; sci\u0163ii erau complet asimila\u0163i \u00een masa trac\u0103. Acestea sunt dealtfel \u015fi concluziile unui valoros studiu ap\u0103rut \u00een 1980 \u015fi f\u0103cut de Valentin Vasiliev (<em>&#8222;Sci\u0163i agat\u00eer\u015fi pe teritoriul Rom\u00e2niei<\/em>&#8222;), care scrie: <em>\u201eDup\u0103 mijlocul sec. al V-lea \u00ee.Hr.\u00a0 grupul scitic este asimilat \u015fi dispare ca etnitate etno-cultural\u0103 din provincia intracarpatic\u0103 a Rom\u00e2niei&#8221;.<\/em> Astfel, agat\u00e2r\u015fii trebuie considera\u0163i ca traci, iar sci\u0163ii \u00een num\u0103r foarte redus au putut locui doar o vreme printre ei. Agat\u00e2r\u015fii erau traci \u015fi prin vitejia lor care i-a f\u0103cut s\u0103 nu se supun\u0103 per\u015filor lui Darius I, cum f\u0103cuser\u0103 toate popoarele vecine \u015fi atunci c\u00e2nd ostile persane s-au apropiat de hotarele lor ele au fost vestite prin crainici c\u0103 agat\u00e2r\u015fii se vor lupta \u00eempotriva lor. Iar per\u015fii intimida\u0163i \u015fi nedorind s\u0103 lupte \u00een mun\u0163i s-au retras. Lupt\u00e2ndu-se de asemenea cu sci\u0163ii, agat\u00e2r\u015fii \u00eei biruiesc \u015fi reu\u015fesc chiar s\u0103 ucid\u0103 pe regele lor, Spargapithes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii aveau un stat din Transilvania p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een Moldova<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii \u00ee\u015fi creaser\u0103 un stat \u00een Transilvania pe v\u0103ile Mure\u015fului \u015fi \u00een p\u0103r\u0163ile de apus ale Moldovei care se pare c\u0103 a d\u0103inuit p\u00e2n\u0103 c\u0103tre sf\u00e2r\u015fitul sec. III \u00ee.Hr. C\u0103ci Aristotel care scria c\u0103tre sf\u00e2r\u015fitul sec. IV \u00ee.Hr., \u00eei men\u0163ioneaz\u0103 pe agat\u00e2r\u015fi. Pomponius Mela din sec. I \u00ee.Hr.,Vergiliu, dar \u015fi Pliniu cel B\u0103tr\u00e2n (sec. I d.Hr.) \u00eei men\u0163ioneaz\u0103 pe agat\u00e2r\u015fi, ce nu erau prea demult disp\u0103ru\u0163i, astfel c\u0103 trebuie s\u0103 admitem c\u0103 ei au existat, a\u015fa cum ne arat\u0103 \u015fi alte surse istorice, p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een sec. III \u00ee.Hr.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii vroiau un stat unde s\u0103 nu existe ur\u0103, ci doar iubire<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dar statul tracilor agat\u00e2r\u015fi are o serie de caractere cu totul unice \u00een Antichitate. Trebuie s\u0103 folosim termenul de \u201estat&#8221; c\u00e2nd vorbim de societatea tracilor agat\u00e2r\u015fi, fiindc\u0103 ea era guvernat\u0103 de legi scrise \u00eentr-un codex pe care tinerii \u00eel \u00eenv\u0103\u0163au pe dinafar\u0103 \u015fi mai ales \u00eel \u00eenv\u0103\u0163au s\u0103-l c\u00e2nte. Informa\u0163ia acesta ne este adus\u0103 de Aristotel, care precum se \u015ftie a adunat constitu\u0163iile tuturor popoarelor cunoscut, de\u015fi nu a ajuns p\u00e2n\u0103 la noi dec\u00e2t \u201eConstitu\u0163ia atenienilor&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Se pare c\u0103, dup\u0103 spusele lui Herodot, tracii agat\u00e2r\u015fi au urm\u0103rit ca \u00een poporul lor s\u0103 nu fie nici ur\u0103, nici pizm\u0103, adic\u0103 au vrut s\u0103 constituie o societate \u00een care oamenii s\u0103 se \u00eendr\u0103geasc\u0103 \u00eentre ei, \u015fi s\u0103 nu existe ostilitate \u015fi lupt\u0103 pentru ca fericirea s\u0103 domneasc\u0103, to\u0163i fiind fra\u0163i \u015fi astfel foarte strins uni\u0163i \u00eentre ei.<\/p>\n<p><strong>La agat\u00e2r\u015fi nu exista familie, ci o comunitate a femeilor<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00cen acest scop \u00een statul lor se instituie comunitatea femeilor, desigur pornind de la premiza c\u0103 femeile pot aduce dezbinare \u015fi ur\u0103 \u00eentre b\u0103rba\u0163i. Nu \u015ftim care era modalitatea prin care se f\u0103ceau aceste uniri \u00eentre b\u0103rba\u0163i \u015fi femei, dar faptul c\u0103 b\u0103rba\u0163ii erau foarte luxo\u015fi, c\u0103 se tatuau, c\u0103 se vopseau, adic\u0103 faptul c\u0103 acordau at\u00e2ta \u00eensemn\u0103tate aspectului lor exterior, apoi faptul c\u0103 purtau podoabe de aur, dovede\u015fte c\u0103 voiau prin frumuse\u0163ea \u015fi elegan\u0163a lor s\u0103 c\u00e2\u015ftige inimile aleselor lor \u015fi c\u0103 alegerea se f\u0103cea at\u00e2t de b\u0103rba\u0163i c\u00e2t \u015fi de femei. De asemenea dac\u0103 femeile erau \u00een comun, cum afirm\u0103 Herodot, \u015fi bunurile \u015fi averea trebuie s\u0103 fi fost tot \u00een comun, pentru c\u0103 neexist\u00e2nd o familie nu avea cine s\u0103 aib\u0103 grij\u0103 de bunurile personale, de vite de pild\u0103, de cas\u0103, de gospod\u0103rie. Iar a\u015fa precum vom ar\u0103ta \u00een continuare, comunitatea femeilor \u00een istorie a fost asociat\u0103 totdeauna cu comunitatea bunurilor.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Comunitatea femeilor, caz singur \u00een lume, doar la agat\u00e2r\u015fi<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00cen lumea antic\u0103 existen\u0163a comunit\u0103\u0163ii femeilor nu se constat\u0103 dec\u00e2t la agat\u00e2r\u015fi. Nicio cetate greceasc\u0103 nu a instaurat asemenea legi, de\u015fi a existat poliandrie ca la Sparta de pild\u0103, unde mai mul\u0163i b\u0103rba\u0163i aveau o singur\u0103 femeie, fiind de obicei fra\u0163i intre ei. Herodot relateaz\u0103 c\u0103 un popor din Africa, nasamonii <em>\u201eau fiecare de obicei mai multe femei, dar le folosesc pe toate \u00een comun. C\u00e2nd un nasamon se c\u0103s\u0103tore\u015fte obiceiul cere ca \u00een prima noapte so\u0163ia s\u0103 treac\u0103 de la un oaspete la altul.&#8221;<\/em> Tot a\u015fa masage\u0163ii nu aveau femeile \u00een comun, dar se puteau uni cu orice femeie ar fi vrut. \u00cens\u0103 promiscuitatea propriu-zis\u0103 n-a existat la niciun popor niciodat\u0103, \u015fi nici comunitatea femeilor n-a existat la vreun popor vreodat\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>A\u015fadar, comunitatea femeilor care exista la agat\u00e2r\u015fi nu era un fenomen social originar, ci fusese introdus\u0103 pe cale de legiferare, iar legiferarea nu apare dec\u00e2t la popoare aflate \u00een stadii \u00eenaintate de dezvoltare. C\u0103ci \u00een statul agat\u00e2r\u015filor \u015ftim c\u0103 existau legi care se \u00eenv\u0103\u0163au pe dinafar\u0103 \u015fi se c\u00e2ntau, dup\u0103 cum ne asigur\u0103 Aristotel.<\/p>\n<p><strong>B\u0103rba\u0163ii se \u00eempodobeau mai frumos dec\u00e2t femeile<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Precum am ar\u0103tat, comunitatea femeilor la agat\u00e2r\u015fi presupune c\u0103 fiecare b\u0103rbat putea s\u0103-\u015fi aleag\u0103 iubita sa, cu condi\u0163ia ca aceasta s\u0103-l accepte. \u015ei de aceea b\u0103rba\u0163ii se \u00eempodobeau c\u00e2t mai frumos, se tatuau \u015fi \u00ee\u015fi pictau corpurile, purt\u00e2nd podoabe \u015fi giuvaeruri de aur. Textul lui Herodot indic\u0103 faptul c\u0103 doar b\u0103rba\u0163ii se purtau at\u00e2t de luxos, desigur spre a cuceri pe aleasa inimii lor. Astfel b\u0103rba\u0163ii erau mult mai frumos \u00eembr\u0103ca\u0163i \u015fi \u00eempodobi\u0163i dec\u00e2t femeile, \u015fi aceast\u0103 deosebire se reg\u0103se\u015fte \u00eentocmai la unii locuitori din Pacific unde b\u0103rba\u0163ii se decoreaz\u0103 (prin tatuaje, zugr\u0103veli) \u015fi se \u00eempodobesc cu coliere, br\u0103\u0163\u0103ri etc. mai mult dec\u00e2t femeile. Dar \u015fi actualmente \u00een portul popular din Maramure\u015f \u015fi din nordul Transilvaniei se poate constata c\u0103 b\u0103rba\u0163ii sunt foarte frumos \u00eempodobi\u0163i, \u00een contrast cu ce se observ\u0103 \u00een Oltenia, \u00een Muntenia sau \u00een Moldova de sud unde femeile au costume mult mai frumoase \u015fi sunt mai fastuos \u00eempodobite dec\u00e2t b\u0103rba\u0163ii.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii \u015fi ge\u0163ii erau comuni\u015fti<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Desigur comunitatea femeilor implica \u015fi o comunitate a bunurilor precum am ar\u0103tat, \u015fi dealtfel \u015ftim din textele lui Hora\u0163iu c\u0103 la ge\u0163i, deci \u015fi la agat\u00e2r\u015fi <em>\u201eogoarele sunt ne\u00eemp\u0103r\u0163ite \u015fi produc roade comune&#8221;<\/em>. Dar comunitatea femeilor la agat\u00e2r\u015fi suprima desigur s\u0103lbaticul obicei al sinuciderii v\u0103duvei r\u0103mase dup\u0103 moartea so\u0163ului ei, a\u015fa cum era datina la unii ge\u0163i. Este posibil ca aceast\u0103 comunitate a femeilor s\u0103 fi fost instituit\u0103 spre a se suprima datina jertfirii v\u0103duvei r\u0103mase dup\u0103 moartea so\u0163ului s\u0103u, datin\u0103 care se \u015ftie c\u0103 a persistat p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een sec. al XIX \u00een India sub numele de sati.<\/p>\n<p>Pe de alt\u0103 parte faptul c\u0103 alegerea depindea de femei, pentru c\u0103 doar astfel putem interpreta elegan\u0163a \u015fi luxul agat\u00e2r\u015filor, le d\u0103dea acestora un rol mult mai mare \u00een societate \u015fi o autoritate considerabil\u0103. Dac\u0103 avem \u00een vedere c\u0103 \u00een societatea agat\u00e2r\u015filor era o continuare a riturilor din Misterele lui Dionysos, ai c\u0103rui adoratori erau ace\u015ftia, atunci femeile erau \u00eentrutotul egale cu b\u0103rba\u0163ii \u015fi la fel ca \u00een Misterele lui Dionysos nu erau cu nimic mai prejos dec\u00e2t b\u0103rba\u0163ii, ba mai mult, aveau poate un rol mai\u00a0 mare fiindc\u0103 \u00een ceremoniile Misterelor lui Dionysos, femeile numite bachante sau menade sau thyade, femeile adoratoare a lui Dionysos, erau cele care organizau desf\u0103\u015furarea \u00eens\u0103\u015fi a acestor ceremonii.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii nu credeau \u00een Zamolxis, c\u0103ci purtau podoabe de aur<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00cen ceea ce prive\u015fte credin\u0163ele religioase ale agat\u00e2r\u015filor, putem afirma cu destul\u0103 certitudine c\u0103 ei nu aderau la cultul lui Zalmoxis \u015fi la Misterele sale, adic\u0103 la riturile prin care se conferea nemurire geto-dacilor. Aceasta \u00eentruc\u00e2t tracii agat\u00e2r\u015fi duceau o via\u0163\u0103 foarte pu\u0163in ascetic\u0103, aveau rela\u0163ii cu multe femei \u015fi purtau podoabe de aur, fiind \u015fi tatua\u0163i \u015fi vopsi\u0163i spre a place femeilor. Or, pare destul de sigur c\u0103 \u00een cultul lui Zalmoxis exista o interdic\u0163ie de ordin religios &#8211; \u00een acord cu ascetismul \u015fi cu simplitatea vie\u0163ii adoratorilor lui Zalmoxis de a nu purta obiecte \u015fi bijuterii de aur, fiindc\u0103 se constat\u0103 o absen\u0163\u0103 total\u0103, p\u00e2n\u0103 \u015fi \u00een mormintele ce par a fi ale nobililor, a obiectelor \u015fi podoabelor de aur.<\/p>\n<p>I.H.Cri\u015fan scrie cu privire la aceast\u0103 problem\u0103:<em> \u201eR\u0103m\u00e2ne \u00een continuare deschis\u0103 problema ciudat\u0103 a dispari\u0163iei obiectelor de aur \u00een secolele ce au precedat cucerirea roman\u0103, at\u00e2ta vreme c\u00e2t izvoarele literare ne atest\u0103 clar existen\u0163a lor&#8221;.<\/em> Iar Vasile P\u00e2rvan scrie: <em>\u201eCeea ce trebuie s\u0103 mire mai mult dec\u00e2t lipsa chihlimbarului, e lipsa aurului de la Ten-ul getic&#8221;<\/em>. Ar fi fost cu totul paradoxal ca oamenii ce aderau la credin\u0163e ce impuneau \u00eenfr\u00e2narea \u015fi simplitatea vie\u0163ii s\u0103 poarte podoabe de aur. O interdic\u0163ia similar\u0103 pare s\u0103 fi existat \u015fi \u00een Egiptul antic, \u015fi se \u015ftiu rela\u0163iile care au fost atestate de antici \u00eentre Egiptul antic \u015fi Zalmoxis, poate \u015fi prin intermediul lui\u00a0 Pitagora.<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/dionysos.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-8835\" title=\"dionysos\" src=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/dionysos.jpg\" alt=\"dionysos\" width=\"189\" height=\"336\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/dionysos.jpg 189w, https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/dionysos-168x300.jpg 168w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 189px) 100vw, 189px\" \/><\/a>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii, adoratori ai lui Dionysos, zeul vi\u0163ei de vie \u015fi a orgiilor prelungite<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii par a fi fost adoratori ai lui Dionysos, zeul vi\u0163ei de vie, dar \u015fi ai orgiilor prelungite. Se \u015ftie c\u0103 Dionysos, zeu al c\u0103rui nume \u00eel afl\u0103m \u015fi \u00een scrierea creto-micenian\u0103 a alfabetului linear B, \u00een t\u0103bli\u0163e de la Pylos \u00een a\u015fa-zisul palat al lui Nestor din sec. al XIII \u00ee.Hr., era a\u015fadar un zeu care fusese adoptat de acheeni micenieni \u00eenainte de r\u0103zboiul troian. El se afl\u0103 men\u0163ionat \u015fi \u00een <em>Iliada<\/em>, \u00eempreun\u0103 cu adoratoarele sale, numite de Homer \u201edoici&#8221;, dar care sunt denumite<br \/>\nmenade sau thyade \u00een <em>Misterele<\/em> sale, precum \u015fi \u00een riturile \u015fi ceremoniile legate de acestea.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adoratorii lui Dionysos \u00een conflict cu adoratorii lui Zamolxis<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Fiind Dionysos divinitatea protectoare a vi\u0163ei de vie \u015fi a vinului este evident c\u0103 m\u0103sura st\u00e2rpirii vi\u0163ei de vie \u00een Dacia pe vremea lui Burebista \u015fi a marelui preot Deceneu era \u00een ultima instan\u0163\u0103 un act de ostilitate v\u0103dit\u0103 \u00eempotriva lui Dionysos \u015fi a riturilor sale orgiastice. Lucrul nu trebuie s\u0103 mire \u00eentruc\u00e2t chiar \u00een <em>Iliada<\/em> se arat\u0103 cum un rege trac Lycurg urm\u0103re\u015fte cu \u0163eap\u0103 sa, vr\u00e2nd s\u0103 le ucid\u0103 pe adoratoarele lui Dionysos, curm\u00e2nd o scen\u0103 ce pare a fi o parte din Misterele ce se desf\u0103\u015furau \u00een cinstea lui Dionysos.<\/p>\n<p>Este de \u00een\u0163eles c\u0103 \u00eempotriva orgiilor din riturile lui Dionysos trebuie s\u0103 existe o mare ostilitate a asce\u0163ilor ca posteau necurmat \u015fi se \u00eenfr\u00e2nau de la orice pl\u0103ceri trupe\u015fti, care formau grupul adoratorilor lui Zalmoxis. \u00centr-adev\u0103r cultul lui Dionysos avea un caracter orgiastic, comport\u00e2nd ceremonii care se desf\u0103\u015furau la anumite intervale, \u00een care se bea mult vin, se c\u00e2nta, se jucau hore noaptea la lumina f\u0103cliilor, se striga \u015fi se alerga peste dealuri \u015fi mun\u0163i \u00een chiote, rituri la care luau parte despuiate sau \u00eembr\u0103cate \u00een costuma\u0163ii stranii femei amestecate cu b\u0103rba\u0163i. \u015ei de fapt aceste Mistere ale lui Dionysos au fost interzise \u00een anul 186 \u00ee.Hr. la Roma de c\u0103tre senatul Republicii ca pun\u00e2nd \u00een primejdie siguran\u0163a statului \u015fi moralitatea public\u0103. C\u0103ci, dup\u0103 adversarii acestor Mistere ale lui Dionysos, \u00een cursul lor \u201enu se considera nimic interzis de moral\u0103&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii, ge\u0163ii cu tyrs<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Un autor latin Valerius Flaccus \u00eei nume\u015fte pe agat\u00e2r\u015fi, <em>Tyrsagetae \u201ege\u0163i cu thirs&#8221;<\/em>, apela\u0163ie care nu trebuie confundat\u0103 cu <em>Thyragetae<\/em>, <em>\u201ege\u0163ii de la fluviul Thyros (Nistru)&#8221;<\/em>. Aceast\u0103 apela\u0163ie a lui Valerius Flaccus ne dezv\u0103luie sensul real al acestui nume de <em>\u201eagathyrsi<\/em>&#8221; \u015fi ne arat\u0103 originea acestei denumiri, care a\u015fa cum crede \u015fi I.H.Cri\u015fan reprezint\u0103 o porecl\u0103 dat\u0103 tracilor din Carpa\u0163i care n-a fost eviden\u0163iat\u0103 p\u00e2n\u0103 acuma. Dar aceast\u0103 denumire <em>thyrsagetae, \u201ege\u0163ii cu thyrs&#8221;<\/em> \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 agat\u00e2r\u015fii erau adoratori ai lui Dionysos, pentru c\u0103 \u00een multe din reprezent\u0103rile grafice ale acestui zeu, el poart\u0103 thyrsul \u015fi de fapt thyrsul era emblema zeului Dionysos \u015fi era constituit dintr-un toiag de lemn sau de trestie care la cap era \u00eencununat cu frunze de vi\u0163\u0103 de vie sau de ieder\u0103. Mai to\u0163i adoratorii lui Dionysos purtau emblema acestui zeu, thyrsul, \u015fi \u00een literatura greac\u0103 el apare c\u0103tre anul 430 \u00ee.Hr.<\/p>\n<p>\u00cen marele <em>Dictionnaire des antiquite&#8217;s grecques et romaines<\/em> (Paris, 1898) \u00eentocmit de Daremberg \u015fi E. Saglio, \u00een articolul consacrat thyrsului, marele elenist A.J. Reinach arat\u0103 c\u0103 pentru autorii antici, agat\u00e2r\u015fii erau ge\u0163ii cu thyrs, adic\u0103 adoratori ai lui Dionysos, \u015fi se interpreta numele de \u201eagthyrsos&#8221; prin <em>\u201eacela care agit\u0103 thyrsul&#8221;<\/em>. C\u0103ci prima parte a acestei denumiri <em>&#8222;aga&#8221;<\/em> este verbul grec bine cunoscut <em>&#8222;ago&#8221; = \u201ea duce, a conduce&#8221;, <\/em>iar <em>&#8222;thyrsos&#8221;<\/em> este numele thyrsului \u00eensu\u015fi. Deci <em>&#8222;agathyrsul&#8221;<\/em> este acela care umbl\u0103 mereu cu thyrsul \u00een m\u00e2n\u0103, semnal\u00e2ndu-\u015fi astfel calitatea de adorator al lui Dionysos. Grecii care \u00eei vedeau mereu pe ge\u0163ii adoratori ai lui Dionysos cu thyrsul \u00een m\u00e2n\u0103 i-au poreclit agathyrsi (agat\u00e2r\u015fi).<\/p>\n<p>Aceast\u0103 etimologie a numelui agat\u00e2r\u015filor &#8211; singura deocamdat\u0103 pe care o cunoa\u015ftem &#8211; exclude bine\u00een\u0163eles orice posibilitate ca agat\u00e2r\u015fii s\u0103 fi fost sci\u0163i, pentru c\u0103 vi\u0163a de vie nu cre\u015ftea \u00een \u0163inuturile locuite de ei &#8211; iar Dionysos nu era un zeu adorat de sci\u0163i. Ba mai mult, un rege scit care a fost ini\u0163iat \u00een cultul lui Dionysos a fost izgonit de pe tron din acest motiv \u015fi apoi ucis, tocmai fiindc\u0103 \u015fi sci\u0163ii erau ostili ca \u015fi romanii sau ca unii dintre greci cultului orgiastic al lui Dionysos.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Agat\u00e2r\u015fii sunt dacii de mai t\u00e2rziu<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>S-a scris de c\u0103tre W. Tomaschek, dar \u015fi de c\u0103tre H. 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