{"id":25582,"date":"2012-11-01T15:51:01","date_gmt":"2012-11-01T12:51:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lovendal.net\/wp52\/?p=25582"},"modified":"2012-11-01T15:53:20","modified_gmt":"2012-11-01T12:53:20","slug":"cand-mergeam-la-st-ives-o-ghicitoare-extrem-de-grea-care-te-pune-sa-gandesti-pana-iti-storci-creierii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/cand-mergeam-la-st-ives-o-ghicitoare-extrem-de-grea-care-te-pune-sa-gandesti-pana-iti-storci-creierii\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8222;C\u00e2nd mergeam la St Ives&#8230;&#8221; O ghicitoare extrem de grea care te pune s\u0103 g\u00e2nde\u015fti p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00ee\u0163i storci creierii!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/cand-ma-duceam-spre-St-Ives.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-25584\" title=\"cand ma duceam spre St Ives\" src=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/cand-ma-duceam-spre-St-Ives.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"317\" height=\"320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/cand-ma-duceam-spre-St-Ives.jpg 317w, https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/cand-ma-duceam-spre-St-Ives-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/cand-ma-duceam-spre-St-Ives-297x300.jpg 297w, https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/cand-ma-duceam-spre-St-Ives-20x20.jpg 20w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 317px) 100vw, 317px\" \/><\/a>Prin anul 1730, \u00een limba englez\u0103 s-a publicat urm\u0103toarea ghicitoare:<\/p>\n<p>C\u00e2nd mergeam la St Ives<br \/>\nAm dat de-un om cu 7 neveste<br \/>\nFiecare nevast\u0103 avea 7 saci<br \/>\n\u015ei fiecare sac avea 7 pisici<br \/>\nFiecare pisic\u0103 avea 7 pui<br \/>\nPui, pisici, saci, neveste.<br \/>\nC\u00e2\u0163i merg la St Ives?<\/p>\n<p>De\u015fi r\u0103spunsul pare a fi unul u\u015for din punct de vedere matematic, nu e chiar a\u015fa. Aceast\u0103 ghicitoare are mai multe variante de r\u0103spuns, \u015fi o s\u0103 vede\u0163i de ce.<\/p>\n<p><strong>1) 2802.<\/strong> E el mai logic r\u0103spuns. Cum s-a ajuns la aceast\u0103 cifr\u0103:<br \/>\n&#8211; naratorul: 1 persoan\u0103;<br \/>\n&#8211; omul care l-a \u00eent\u00e2lnit: 1 persoan\u0103;<br \/>\n&#8211; nevestele omului: 7 persoane.<br \/>\nA\u015fadar, p\u00e2n\u0103 acum avem 1+1+7=9.<\/p>\n<p>Acum, s\u0103 vedem c\u00e2te entit\u0103\u0163i acompaniaz\u0103 fiecare nevast\u0103:<br \/>\n&#8211; saci: 7;<br \/>\n&#8211; pisici: 49 (7 saci x 7 pisici \u00een fiecare sac);<br \/>\n&#8211; pui de pisici: 343 (49 pisici x 7 pui de fiecare pisic\u0103).<br \/>\nA\u015fadar, \u00een total, avem un num\u0103r de: 7+49+343= 399 de entit\u0103\u0163i ce acompaniaz\u0103 fiecare nevast\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Cum avem 7 neveste, rezult\u0103 un num\u0103r de: 399 x 7 = 2.793 entit\u0103\u0163i. Ad\u0103ug\u0103m la acest num\u0103r, cifra 9 de dinainte, \u015fi rezult\u0103: 2802.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2) 2800. <\/strong>\u015ei asta pentru c\u0103 \u00een ghicitoare se spune c\u0103<em> &#8222;Pui, pisici, saci, neveste. \/ C\u00e2\u0163i merg la St Ives?&#8221; <\/em>Deci, s-ar putea de aici \u00een\u0163elege c\u0103 trebuie aflat num\u0103rul celor care merg la St Ives (pui, pisici, saci, neveste), cu excep\u0163ia naratorului \u015fi a omului ce a fost \u00eent\u00e2lnit. Deci, din num\u0103rul de 2.802 entit\u0103\u0163i ar trebui sc\u0103zut 2 \u015fi rezult\u0103 2.800.<\/p>\n<p><strong>3) 2752.<\/strong> Sacii nu reprezint\u0103 fiin\u0163e, a\u015fadar, ei ar trebui sco\u015fi din calcul. Fiecare nevast\u0103 ar avea: 49 pisici+343 pui = 392 de fiin\u0163e. Cum sunt 7 neveste, vom avea: 392 * 7 = 2744 de fiin\u0163e. Dac\u0103 la acest num\u0103r, vom ad\u0103uga cele 7 neveste \u015fi omul \u00eent\u00e2lnit, vom avea 2.752. Precum se vede, nu s-a ad\u0103ugat naratorul, plec\u00e2nd de la premiza c\u0103 ghicitoarea vrea s\u0103 afle num\u0103rul persoanelor cu care s-a \u00eent\u00e2lnit naratorul \u015fi care ar merge la St Ives.<\/p>\n<p><strong>4) 1.<\/strong> \u015ei asta pentru c\u0103 nu se spune nic\u0103ieri c\u0103 \u015fi grupul care a fost \u00eent\u00e2lnit de narator ar merge la St Ives. Deci, o singur\u0103 persoan\u0103 merge la St Ives: naratorul.<\/p>\n<p><strong>5) 2.<\/strong> \u015ei acesta e un r\u0103spuns plauzibil. \u015ei asta \u00eentruc\u00e2t naratorul (care merge la St Ives) se \u00eent\u00e2lne\u015fte cu om b\u0103rbat care \u015fi el se presupune c\u0103 ar merge la St Ives. De\u015fi b\u0103rbatul are 7 neveste, totu\u015fi \u00een text nu se spune clar dac\u0103 omul e \u00eenso\u0163it de ele.<\/p>\n<p><strong>6) 0.<\/strong> E un r\u0103spuns viabil, dac\u0103 lu\u0103m \u00een considerare fraza:<em> &#8222;Pui, pisici, saci, neveste. C\u00e2\u0163i merg la St Ives?&#8221;<\/em> Cum singura certitudine e faptul c\u0103 naratorul merge la St Ives, iar naratorul nu face parte din<em> &#8222;pui, pisici, saci sau neveste care merg la St Ives&#8221;,<\/em> atunci r\u0103spunsul ar fi &#8222;nimeni din aceste entit\u0103\u0163i nu merg&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>7) 9. <\/strong>Doar cei 9 oameni merg la St Ives (naratorul, b\u0103rbatul \u015fi cele 7 neveste ale sale). Sacii \u015fi fiin\u0163ele din sac nu merg, ele mai degrab\u0103 fiind purtate (c\u0103rate).<\/p>\n<p><strong>8 ) 7<\/strong>, adic\u0103 cele 7 neveste. 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