{"id":22879,"date":"2012-03-30T17:17:40","date_gmt":"2012-03-30T15:17:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lovendal.net\/wp52\/?p=22879"},"modified":"2017-04-20T18:18:59","modified_gmt":"2017-04-20T15:18:59","slug":"cum-poti-compara-o-religie-sau-filozofie-veche-si-autentica-zen-tantra-crestinism-budism-etc-cu-credinta-cavalerilor-jedi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/cum-poti-compara-o-religie-sau-filozofie-veche-si-autentica-zen-tantra-crestinism-budism-etc-cu-credinta-cavalerilor-jedi\/","title":{"rendered":"Cum po\u0163i compara o religie sau filozofie veche \u015fi autentic\u0103 (zen, tantra, cre\u015ftinism, budism etc.) cu „credin\u0163a cavalerilor Jedi”?"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Continui seria de Polemici, cu un articol la un comentariu postat de alt cititor de-al meu la articolul acesta https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/cat-de-moron-poti-fi-pentru-a-te-inchina-in-credinta-ta-cavalerilor-jedi-din-star-wars\/<\/strong><\/a> din decembrie 2011. \u00cen articolul respectiv \u00eemi exprimam opinia c\u0103 mi se pare total anormal c\u0103 exist\u0103 unii oameni care \u015fi-au adoptat religia cavalerilor Jedi din celebrul „R\u0103zboiul stelelor”<\/em>. O cititoare, pe nume Sindy, g\u0103se\u015fte de cuviin\u0163\u0103 s\u0103 m\u0103 critice cu privire la acest articol. S\u0103 vedem punctul ei de vedere:<\/p>\n

Lovendal, pana acum postai articole si-ti pastrai distanta fata de ele, nu le atacai subiectiv.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Ai gresit, draga mea. Ei bine, pe acest site exist\u0103 dou\u0103 categorii de articole: articole „neutre” (s\u0103 le spunem a\u015fa) \u00een care prezint doar un fapt, f\u0103r\u0103 a-l trece \u015fi prin filtrul meu \u015fi articole „subiective”, \u00een care \u00eemi expun \u015fi punctul meu de vedere. N-am \u015ftiut c\u0103 e interzis pe propriul site s\u0103 am propria judecat\u0103…v\u0103d c\u0103 unora li se pare aberant. Oare mai tr\u0103im pe timpul lui Stalin \u00een care oamenii nu mai trebuie s\u0103-\u015fi exprime opiniile?<\/p>\n

Personal, eu cred ca religiile \u2018inventate\u2019 din multe lumi SF sunt mult mai bune decat Crestinismul, prin nimic altceva decat prin faptul ca nu se inchina la un zeu sangeros care \u2018iubeste\u2019 doar pe cei ce ii urmeaza in ultim amanunt un set de reguli, care daca te uiti la vechiul testament, sunt outdated de mult si au trebuit rescrise in noul testament, si inca ar trebui rescrise pentru ziua de azi.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Eu m-am referit, \u00een general, la marile religii ale lumii \u00een acel articol \u015fi nu la cre\u015ftinism, \u00een special. De ce c\u00e2nd aduc aminte de religie, unii se refer\u0103 la cre\u015ftinism \u015fi nu la alte mari religii? Bine, trec\u00e2nd peste acest mic am\u0103nunt, ce treab\u0103 are cre\u015ftinismul cu acel „zeu credincios”? Drag\u0103 Sindy, e\u015fti \u00een total\u0103 eroare. Crezul cre\u015ftinismului este urm\u0103torul, dac\u0103 nu-l \u015ftiai: „Cred \u00eentr-Unul Dumnezeu, Tat\u0103l Atot\u015ftiitorul, f\u0103c\u0103torul cerului \u015fi al p\u0103m\u00e2ntului, v\u0103zutelor tuturor \u015fi nevazutelor. \u015ei intr-Unul Domn Iisus Hristos, Fiul Lui Dumnezeu, Unul n\u0103scut, Care din Tat\u0103l S-a n\u0103scut, mai \u00eenainte de to\u0163i vecii. Lumin\u0103 din Lumin\u0103, Dumnezeu adev\u0103rat din Dumnezeu adev\u0103rat, n\u0103scut nu f\u0103cut, Cel de o Fiin\u0163\u0103 cu Tat\u0103l, prin Care toate S-au f\u0103cut. Care pentru noi oamenii \u015fi pentru a noastr\u0103 m\u00e2ntuire, S-a pogor\u00e2t din ceruri \u015fi S-a intrupat de la Duhul Sf\u00e2nt \u015fi din Maria Fecioara \u015fi S-a f\u0103cut Om. \u015ei S-a r\u0103stignit pentru noi \u00een zilele lui Pilat din Pont, \u015fi a p\u0103timit \u015fi S-a ingropat, \u015fi a \u00eenviat a treia zi, dup\u0103 Scripturi. \u015ei S-a suit la ceruri, \u015fi \u015fade de-a dreapta Tat\u0103lui. \u015ei iar\u0103\u015fi va s\u0103 vin\u0103 cu slava s\u0103 judece vii \u015fi mor\u0163ii, a C\u0103rui \u00eemp\u0103ra\u0163ie nu va avea sf\u00e2r\u015fit. \u015ei \u00eentru Duhul Sf\u00e2nt, Domnul de via\u0163\u0103 F\u0103c\u0103torul, Care din Tat\u0103l purcede, Cel Ce \u00eempreun\u0103 cu Tat\u0103l \u015fi cu Fiul este \u00eenchinat \u015fi sl\u0103vit, Care a gr\u0103it prin Prooroci. \u00centr-Una sf\u00e2nta, soborniceasc\u0103 \u015fi apostolic\u0103 Biseric\u0103. M\u0103rturisesc un Botez, \u00eentru iertarea p\u0103catelor. A\u015ftept \u00eenvierea mor\u0163ilor \u015fi via\u0163a veacului ce va s\u0103 fie. Amin”. <\/em>Precum vezi, nimic s\u00e2ngeros, doar iertare, m\u00e2ntuire…acel zeu s\u00e2ngeros nu poate fi dec\u00e2t \u00een mintea ta. \u00cen cre\u015ftinism crezi sau nu; dac\u0103 nu crezi, nu-i nimic, nu vei mai avea parte de m\u00e2ntuire.<\/p>\n

C\u00e2t despre „cruzimea” Dumnezeului din Vechiul Testament, eu cred c\u0103 tu nu ai citit deloc Biblia, c\u0103ci ai fi observat c\u0103 nu e vorba de cruzime, ci de m\u00e2nie. Dumnezeul din Bibie este un Dumnezeu puternic, care-\u015fi iube\u015fte oamenii, iar m\u00e2nia Sa este liber\u0103 de orice imperfec\u0163iune p\u0103c\u0103toas\u0103 care acompaniaz\u0103 adesea m\u00e2nia uman\u0103. Ideea unei m\u00e2nii divine arat\u0103 faptul c\u0103 umanitatea este important\u0103 pentru Dumnezeu, Fiin\u0163ei Supreme p\u0103s\u00e2ndu-i de oameni, din moment ce El comand\u0103, interzice sau pune \u00een gard\u0103.<\/p>\n

Personal, sunt atee si asa o sa raman toata viata, pentru ca religia mi se pare o mare porcarie, fiind manipulativa in ultimul hal si scrisa de oameni asa cum vor ei sa fie pamantul, nu este scrisa de nici o forta divina, pentru ca eu prefer sa cred ca forta divina care exista ne iubeste pe toti in mod egal, nu mai mult pe George de la cinci ca el n-a injurat azi.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Te-ai contrazis flagrant \u00een aceea\u015fi fraz\u0103: la \u00eenceput ai zis c\u0103 e\u015fti atee (deci nu crezi \u00een existen\u0163a lui Dumnezeu sau a altei for\u0163e divine), dar \u00een final ai spus c\u0103 „prefer sa cred ca forta divina care exista ne iubeste pe toti in mod egal”, adic\u0103 crezi \u00een divinitate. Dac\u0103 e\u015fti at\u00e2t de confuz\u0103 \u015fi nici nu \u015ftii dac\u0103 crezi sau nu \u00een Dumnezeu, e problema ta. \u015ei da, Dumnezeu ne iube\u015fte pe to\u0163i la fel, numai c\u0103, pentru a avea parte de harul S\u0103u, trebuie s\u0103-L descoperi \u00een sufletul t\u0103u, indiferent c\u0103 crezi \u00een cre\u015ftinism, budism, islamism, iudaism sau alt\u0103 religie autentic\u0103 a lumii.<\/p>\n

Personal, cred ca ai sarit calul la articolul asta cu injuriile la adresa acelor oameni, la fel cum si eu as putea sa sar calul cu injuriile la adresa crestinilor daca as vrea, dar nu o fac, pentru ca degeaba o fac daca tot in biblie vor sa creada, bravo lor.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

P\u0103i, draga mea, NU PO\u0162I CREDE \u00een ceva ce e\u015fti sigur c\u0103 e 100% fantastic dec\u00e2t dac\u0103 ai probleme grave cu mintea. Religiile vechi \u015fi autentice pot fi \u015fi ele false (nu neg aceast\u0103 posibilitate), dar, la fel de bine pot s\u0103 fie adev\u0103rate. \u015ei dac\u0103 o religie e adev\u0103rat\u0103, cum po\u0163i s\u0103 o compari cu o credin\u0163\u0103 care \u015ftii 100% c\u0103 e fals\u0103? Acum ai \u00een\u0163eles punctul meu de vedere?<\/p>\n

Lasa-i pe altii sa creada in religiile lor.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Eu \u00eei las, nu le-am interzis s-o fac\u0103, numai c\u0103 eu cred c\u0103 ei au probleme psihice mari.<\/p>\n

Pana nu iti apare Iisus in fata, te rog frumos sa nu zici ca nu stiu care e moron pentru ca are alta credinta, si a lui este falsa si a ta este adevarata, doar pentru ca e scrisa acum 4000 de ani.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Dup\u0103 c\u00e2te \u015ftiu eu, Iisus a ap\u0103rut acum 2.000 de ani, nu 4.000…dar, m\u0103 rog, ce mai conteaz\u0103 \u00eenc\u0103 o mic\u0103 abera\u0163ie. \u015ei, da, \u0163i-am explicat motivul mai sus: o religie veche poate fi \u015fi adev\u0103rat\u0103, pe c\u00e2nd credin\u0163a \u00een cavalerii Jedi este clar fals\u0103. Diferen\u0163a este \u00eentre „posibil adev\u0103rat” \u015fi „fals”. Cele dou\u0103 no\u0163iuni nu sunt echivalente \u015fi nici nu pot fi.<\/p>\n

Asa si eu pot sa zic ca religiile vechi sunt mai adevarate crestinismului, ca au fost scrise inainte, si crestinismul le-a copiat si adaptat, fiind practic\u2026 varianta veche a unei carti SF.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\u015ei ce treab\u0103 are una cu alta? Eu comparam \u00een articolul respectiv religiile vechi cu cre\u015ftinismul sau toate religiile vechi cu credin\u0163a \u00een cavalerii Jedi? O filozofie, religie sau credin\u0163\u0103 veche e \u00eentotdeauna mai valoroas\u0103 dec\u00e2t una nou\u0103 pentru c\u0103 a trecut prin mintea \u015fi experien\u0163a a milioane de \u00een\u0163elep\u0163i…oricine \u015ftie acest lucru…m\u0103 refer la cei care au studiat istoria filozofiei sau a religiilor.<\/p>\n

In final, fiecare cu parerea lui, asa ca te rog sa-ti pastrezi tonul oficial si indiferent cand scrii articole, pentru ca parerea ta personala din articolul asta te-a facut sa pari foarte ignorant si cu nasul pe sus.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Da, fiecare cu p\u0103rerea lui, dar nu-mi impune mie dac\u0103 s\u0103-mi exprim un punct de vedere sau nu. O voi face ori de c\u00e2te ori simt nevoia, f\u0103r\u0103 s\u0103 m\u0103 poat\u0103 opri cineva vreodat\u0103. C\u00e2t despre ignoran\u0163\u0103…mai recite\u015fte \u00eenc\u0103 o dat\u0103 ceea ce am scris mai sus \u015fi trage singur\u0103 concluziile care se impun.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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