{"id":21222,"date":"2011-12-01T13:35:38","date_gmt":"2011-12-01T11:35:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lovendal.net\/wp52\/?p=21222"},"modified":"2011-12-01T13:38:11","modified_gmt":"2011-12-01T11:38:11","slug":"sasii-si-ungurii-recunosc-existenta-unei-natiuni-romane-puternice-in-transilvania-enciclopedia-britanica-din-1810-n-a-auzit-de-romani-in-ardeal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/sasii-si-ungurii-recunosc-existenta-unei-natiuni-romane-puternice-in-transilvania-enciclopedia-britanica-din-1810-n-a-auzit-de-romani-in-ardeal\/","title":{"rendered":"Sa\u015fii \u015fi ungurii recunosc existen\u0163a unei na\u0163iuni rom\u00e2ne puternice \u00een Transilvania; Enciclopedia Britanic\u0103 din 1810 n-a auzit de rom\u00e2ni \u00een Ardeal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/Transylvania.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-21223\" title=\"Transylvania\" src=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/Transylvania.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"309\" height=\"136\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/Transylvania.jpg 309w, https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/Transylvania-300x132.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 309px) 100vw, 309px\" \/><\/a>Problema Transilvaniei \u015fi a istoriei sale a constituit dintotdeauna un subiect de mare controvers\u0103 \u00eentre istoricii rom\u00e2ni \u015fi unguri. \u00cen articolul de ieri despre Transilvania (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/de-ce-transilvania-apartine-doar-ungariei-de-peste-1-000-de-ani-romanii-transilvaneni-sunt-din-albania\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/de-ce-transilvania-apartine-doar-ungariei-de-peste-1-000-de-ani-romanii-transilvaneni-sunt-din-albania\/<\/strong><\/a>) prezentam opinia revizionismului maghiar despre Ardeal \u015fi nu punctul meu de vedere (a\u015fa cum am prezentat la finalul articolului \u015fi sursa de unde am preluat acest articol).<\/p>\n<p>Dar, \u00een materialele istorice pe care le-am g\u0103sit, am observat c\u0103 exist\u0103 puncte de vedere total diferite \u015fi chiar contradictorii. Astfel, contele ungur Istvan Szechenyi, atr\u0103gea aten\u0163ia \u00eentr-o carte publicat\u0103 \u00een anul 1835 asupra inevitabilelor consecin\u0163e dezastruoase ale curentului de maghiarizare for\u0163at\u0103. Plin de \u00eengrijorare, el subliniaz\u0103 starea de izolare a ungurilor \u015fi arat\u0103 c\u0103 toate celelalte popoare ale regatului ungar au rude \u00een afara grani\u0163elor sale, numai ungurii nu au rubedenii nic\u0103ieri \u00een lume. <em>\u201eRom\u00e2nul din Ungaria av\u00e2nd pu\u0163ine cuno\u015ftin\u0163e despre trecutul s\u0103u, nu s-a trezit \u00eenc\u0103 \u00een acel rev\u0103rsat de zori al na\u0163ionalit\u0103\u0163ii sale ; (&#8230;) dar nicio grani\u0163\u0103 politic\u0103 \u015fi niciun fel de paz\u0103 a grani\u0163ei nu e \u00een stare s\u0103 fr\u00e2ng\u0103 \u00eenl\u0103n\u0163uirea moral\u0103, care \u00eel leag\u0103 de tulpina mamei \u00eenvecinate. Este adev\u0103rat c\u0103 \u0162ara Rom\u00e2neasc\u0103 este \u00eenc\u0103 slab\u0103, dar \u00eei stau \u00een fa\u0163\u0103 deschise toate posibilit\u0103\u0163ile, c\u0103ci unde \u00eenv\u0103\u0163\u0103tura prin \u015fcoli, administra\u0163ia prin birouri, contactul cu armata, conversa\u0163ia \u00een societate se face \u00een limba na\u0163ional\u0103, acolo devine posibil\u0103 orice dezvoltare&#8221;<\/em>&#8230; <em>\u201ePatria <\/em>&#8211; conclude Szechenyi &#8211; <em>n-o formeaz\u0103 p\u0103m\u00e2ntul mort, ci oamenii vii&#8221; .<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Preotul martir Stephan Ludwig Roth (1796-1849) public\u0103, \u00een 1842, la Bra\u015fov o bro\u015fur\u0103, \u00een care se arat\u0103 c\u0103 <em>\u201e\u00cen Transilvania nu este necesar s\u0103 fie impus\u0103 o limb\u0103 prin votul Dietei pentru a fi folosit\u0103 de toat\u0103 lumea, fiindc\u0103 aceast\u0103 limb\u0103 exist\u0103, ea nefiind nici limba german\u0103, nici limba maghiar\u0103, ci limba rom\u00e2n\u0103<\/em><em>, pe care o cunosc to\u0163i chiar f\u0103r\u0103 s-o fi \u00eenv\u0103\u0163at. Oric\u00e2nd se \u00eent\u00e2lnesc doi in\u015fi (transilv\u0103neni) de neam diferit, neput\u00e2ndu-se \u00een\u0163elege \u00een propria lor limb\u0103, graiul rom\u00e2nesc le este la \u00eendem\u00e2n\u0103 spre a servi de t\u0103lmaci. Faci o c\u0103l\u0103torie, mergi la un t\u00e2rg &#8211; toat\u0103 lumea \u015ftie rom\u00e2ne\u015fte<\/em><em>. Limba rom\u00e2n\u0103 (spre deosebire de germana ori maghiara) o \u00eenve\u0163i aproape f\u0103r\u0103 s\u0103 vrei, din contactul zilnic de pe strad\u0103. Dintr-o dat\u0103 observi c\u0103 \u015ftii rom\u00e2ne\u015fte.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Pe de alt\u0103 parte, cred c\u0103 toat\u0103 lumea cunoa\u015fte celebra Enciclopedie Britanic\u0103, una dintre cele mai prestigioase din lume. \u00cen edi\u0163ia sa din 1810 (pe care o pute\u0163i citi on-line pe Internet, pe <a href=\"http:\/\/www.archive.org\/stream\/encyclopaediabri20edin#page\/461\/mode\/1up\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Archive.com<\/strong><\/a>), iat\u0103 ce g\u0103sim scris despre Transilvania:<\/p>\n<p><em>&#8222;TRANSILVANIA, o provincie a Europei, anexat\u0103 Ungariei \u015fi \u00eenvecinat\u0103 \u00een nord de Ungaria Superioar\u0103 \u015fi Polonia, la est de Moldova \u015fi Valahia, la sud de Valahia \u015fi la vest de Ungaria Inferioar\u0103 \u015fi Superioar\u0103. Ea e \u00eenconjurat\u0103 de peste tot de mun\u0163i \u00eenal\u0163i, care, totu\u015fi nu sunt goi. Locuitorii ei au cereale \u015fi vin c\u00e2t \u00ee\u015fi doresc; exist\u0103 mine bogate \u00een aur, argint, plumb, cupru, mercur \u015fi aluminiu. A trecut prin mai multe revolu\u0163ii; acum ea apar\u0163ine casei de Austria. Religiile locuitorilor s\u0103i sunt diverse: papi\u015fti, luterani, calvini\u015fti, socinieni, fotinieni, atieni, greci \u015fi mahomedani. Are circa 162.000 de mile \u00een lungime \u015fi 150.000 de mile \u00een l\u0103\u0163ime. Administra\u0163ia este format\u0103 din 12 persoane, 3 romano-catolici, 3 luterani, 3 calvini\u015fti \u015fi 3 socinieni. Mili\u0163ia este comandat\u0103 de guvernator, al c\u0103rui mandat este mult mai important, \u00eentruc\u00e2t Transilvania a fost bastionul cre\u015ftin\u0103t\u0103\u0163ii. Este \u00eemp\u0103r\u0163it\u0103 \u00een mai multe districte mici, denumite palatinate sau jude\u0163e. Este locuit\u0103 de trei na\u0163iuni diferite: saxoni, silezieni \u015fi unguri. Hermannstadt (Sibiu) este capitala provinciei.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Precum vede\u0163i, din acest articol, nu apare nic\u0103ieri scris despre rom\u00e2ni, ca \u015fi cum ace\u015ftia nici nu ar exista. Cele trei na\u0163iuni care locuiesc \u00een Transilvania sunt: saxonii, silezienii \u015fi ungurii. Nicio vorb\u0103 de rom\u00e2ni sau vlahi! S-au \u00een\u015felat at\u00e2t de tare cei care au editat Enciclopedia Britanic\u0103 acum 2 secole, \u00eenc\u00e2t s\u0103 nu aduc\u0103 aminte de rom\u00e2ni?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Problema Transilvaniei \u015fi a istoriei sale a constituit dintotdeauna un subiect de mare controvers\u0103 \u00eentre istoricii rom\u00e2ni \u015fi unguri. \u00cen articolul de ieri despre Transilvania (https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/de-ce-transilvania-apartine-doar-ungariei-de-peste-1-000-de-ani-romanii-transilvaneni-sunt-din-albania\/) prezentam opinia revizionismului maghiar despre Ardeal \u015fi nu punctul meu de vedere (a\u015fa cum &#8230; <\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more-container\"><a title=\"Sa\u015fii \u015fi ungurii recunosc existen\u0163a unei na\u0163iuni rom\u00e2ne puternice \u00een Transilvania; Enciclopedia Britanic\u0103 din 1810 n-a auzit de rom\u00e2ni \u00een Ardeal\" class=\"read-more button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/sasii-si-ungurii-recunosc-existenta-unei-natiuni-romane-puternice-in-transilvania-enciclopedia-britanica-din-1810-n-a-auzit-de-romani-in-ardeal\/#more-21222\" aria-label=\"Cite\u0219te mai multe despre Sa\u015fii \u015fi ungurii recunosc existen\u0163a unei na\u0163iuni rom\u00e2ne puternice \u00een Transilvania; Enciclopedia Britanic\u0103 din 1810 n-a auzit de rom\u00e2ni \u00een Ardeal\">Cititi mai multe<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":21223,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[4761,211,4771,4571,1532,4762,2602,377,858,4775,1634,228,494,591,4774,4772,4773],"class_list":["post-21222","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-istorie","tag-brasov","tag-crestinism","tag-enciclopedia-britanica","tag-enciclopedie","tag-istorie-si-civilizatii","tag-limba-maghiara","tag-limba-romana","tag-moldova","tag-romani","tag-sas","tag-sibiu","tag-tara-romaneasca","tag-transilvania","tag-ungaria","tag-ungur","tag-unguri","tag-vlahi","resize-featured-image"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v23.3 (Yoast SEO v27.4) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Sa\u015fii \u015fi ungurii recunosc existen\u0163a unei na\u0163iuni rom\u00e2ne puternice \u00een Transilvania; Enciclopedia Britanic\u0103 din 1810 n-a auzit de rom\u00e2ni \u00een Ardeal - Secretele lui Lovendal<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/sasii-si-ungurii-recunosc-existenta-unei-natiuni-romane-puternice-in-transilvania-enciclopedia-britanica-din-1810-n-a-auzit-de-romani-in-ardeal\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"ro_RO\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Sa\u015fii \u015fi ungurii recunosc existen\u0163a unei na\u0163iuni rom\u00e2ne puternice \u00een Transilvania; Enciclopedia Britanic\u0103 din 1810 n-a auzit de rom\u00e2ni \u00een Ardeal\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Problema Transilvaniei \u015fi a istoriei sale a constituit dintotdeauna un subiect de mare controvers\u0103 \u00eentre istoricii rom\u00e2ni \u015fi unguri. \u00cen articolul de ieri despre Transilvania (https:\/\/www.lovendal.ro\/wp52\/de-ce-transilvania-apartine-doar-ungariei-de-peste-1-000-de-ani-romanii-transilvaneni-sunt-din-albania\/) prezentam opinia revizionismului maghiar despre Ardeal \u015fi nu punctul meu de vedere (a\u015fa cum ... 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